As Lauren Conrad’s Pinterest-esque life might lead you to believe, she’s got it all figured out: Instagram-worthy parties, perfect eyeliner, and a cute hubby to boot. But before all of that, Conrad was just like you and me, trying to figure out the perfect outfit for her next job interview. And for the Paper Crown designer, that meant turning to one particular pair of shoes.

“When I was finishing high school and was going on job interviews, most of which were not filmed [for Laguna Beach], I always wanted to look very ‘professional,’ and for some reason, in my mind that meant wearing flats,” Conrad told Refinery29 . “So my interview outfits always included flats: I went to BCBG and bought a nude pair of flats. I wore them with different outfits, all of which weren’t amazing.”

Because in her mind, “nude flats with a peep-toe just read ‘professional career woman’ to me, for some reason. I was still very young, so I did anything I could to feel and look more mature.”

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