Life is pretty sweet for Beyoncé right now. Not only did she top Forbes’ list of the highest-paid women in the music industry for 2017, but she also bought a $26 million East Hampton home, and she’s set to voice Nala in the upcoming live-action remake of Disney’s The Lion King. And that’s on top of the fact that she’s the proud mom of five-year-old Blue Ivy and five-month-old twins Sir and Rumi. But as her husband, JAY-Z, shared in a new interview, they’ve weathered their share of storms.

Opening up in a surprisingly candid chat for The New York Times Style Magazine, the rapper addressed the rumors of infidelity that first cropped up way back in 2013, as well as the choices the couple had to make after he apparently strayed.

“You know, most people walk away, and like divorce rate is like 50 percent or something ’cause most people can’t see themselves,” he said. “The hardest thing is seeing pain on someone’s face that you caused, and then have to deal with yourself. So, you know, most people don’t want to do that. You don’t want to look inside yourself. And so you walk away.”

Ultimately, both he and Beyoncé decided to stick it out and face the issues that had manifested in their marriage. And he faced his own issues, too, in therapy. “I grew so much from the experience,” he told executive editor Dean Baquet. “But I think the most important thing I got is that everything is connected. Every emotion is connected and it comes from somewhere. And just being aware of it. Being aware of it in everyday life puts you at such a… you’re at such an advantage.”

He then explained the place he was in before therapy, saying, “You go into survival mode, and when you go into survival mode, what happens? You shut down all emotions. So even with women, you gonna shut down emotionally, so you can’t connect. In my case, like, it’s, it’s deep. And then all the things happen from there: infidelity…”

That infidelity was pretty much confirmed last year, when Bey released her Lemonade album, which used various songs to lay out the betrayal, her response, and their attempt to heal afterward. The Roc Nation boss also alluded to the cheating in his song “4:44,” where he says, “And if my children knew, I don’t even know what I would do / If they ain’t look at me the same / I would probably die with all the shame / ‘You did what with who?’ / What good is a ménage à trois when you have a soulmate? / ‘You risked that for Blue?'”

Now, he says that although the music was not easy to make or listen to, it was necessary and part of their healing process. “We were using our art almost like a therapy session,” he explained to Baquet. “We were sitting in the eye of the hurricane. The best place is right in the middle of the pain. And that’s where we were sitting. And it was uncomfortable. And we had a lot of conversations. You know. [I was] really proud of the music she made, and she was really proud of the art I released. And, you know, at the end of the day, we really have a healthy respect for one another’s craft. I think she’s amazing.”

It sounds like these two have weathered the storm and are embracing the sunnier days ahead.

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