It鈥檚 been an interesting journey, to put it nicely, for Bachelor in Paradise alums Dean Unglert and Kristina Schulman. While the two initially got off to a great start, with Unglert pursuing the 24-year-old Bachelor alum and even heading to her hometown of Kentucky during the show鈥檚 break from filming, it was a whole different story once cameras began rolling again. Unglert pursued another contestant, Danielle Lombard, leaving everyone, Schulman included, totally confused.

Schulman exited the show early when Unglert said he wanted to see where things went with Lombard. But she鈥檚 managed to keep things civil 鈥 friendly even 鈥 with her former paramour since then. In fact, just yesterday, they were spotted together at a radio station with some other Bachelor Nation stars.

While the jury鈥檚 still out on their current relationship status, we are getting a front row seat to some of their extremely awkward post-show interactions, thanks to Unglert鈥檚 podcast, Help! I Suck at Dating.

In a teaser for his latest episode, the 26-year-old gives Schulman an unexpected phone call in an effort to understand what exactly went wrong between them. 鈥淪ince you and I have dated each other, I would love for you to tell me why 鈥 what I do that鈥檚 so sucky at dating?鈥 he asks.

鈥淥ooh, that鈥檚 a bad question 鈥 but a good one,鈥 she quips. 鈥淎re we serious about this?鈥

After he assures her that he is, in fact, totally serious, Schulman obliges her TV fling, saying, 鈥淲hat I鈥檝e noticed with you, and I鈥檓 sure the rest of America has too, is that you have this wall up, and you鈥檙e always joking, and you鈥檙e smiling, but as soon as someone gets past that wall, you have a lot to say, you have a lot going on,鈥 she begins. 鈥淵ou鈥檙e better at communication now, because I think you鈥檙e a little more open to me and to everyone else, but I think that was a huge thing.鈥

When Unglert plays devil鈥檚 advocate, asking whether it鈥檚 not more fun to have a relationship full of smiles and laughter than to have one where you鈥檙e always talking about your feelings, Schulman explains why talking about your feelings is a good thing, saying, 鈥淲ell, of course, you can have all of those things, but how does the relationship get stronger or deeper without talking feelings?鈥

When she suggests that she may have put too much pressure on the situation, Unglert says she shouldn鈥檛 put the blame on herself and asks instead for more pointers, which she offers, but not before expressing how weird it is to be critiquing someone she wanted to date at one point.

Besides his lack of communication, she admonishes his tendency to 鈥渟ugarcoat鈥 things, explaining, 鈥淵ou try to find a roundabout way. But sometimes it鈥檚 best to just say it. It might hurt鈥 it鈥檚 going to sting in the moment. It鈥檚 better than finding out later.鈥 (We can鈥檛 imagine what she might be referring to!)

From there, Unglert moves on to other, more pressing matters 鈥 like whether he鈥檚 a good kisser. 鈥淚 feel weird talking about all of this,鈥 she says, before ultimately conceding that yes, he is, in fact, a good kisser.

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After tackling several more tough questions, like whether they would have hit it off in another setting (maybe鈥 eventually鈥 after being introduced by friends) and how she鈥檒l think of him in 20 years (as a nice guy with a good heart, despite it all, and as a 鈥済ood lesson鈥 in dating), the phone call ends on a predictably weird note.

鈥淚t鈥檚 been sufficiently awkward,鈥 Unglert says.

鈥淎re you serious?!鈥 she asks. 鈥淵ou didn鈥檛 get some pleasure out of talking to me?鈥

鈥淚鈥檓 glad you鈥檙e enjoying it,鈥 he replies. 鈥淭hat makes one of us.鈥

Judging by his parting line 鈥 鈥淚 wish you the best鈥 鈥 we鈥檙e going to guess that those rumors about them dating are just rumors. But who knows with these two?

Listen to the podcast teaser in full here.

Do you think there鈥檚 any hope for these two? Tell us over @BritandCo.

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